tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-388453741033869908.post8630090700196044030..comments2024-03-17T01:39:05.808-07:00Comments on Whiskey & 40k: New Authorage; Tourney Style: On Passive-Agressive JudgingMike Brandt; mvbrandt@gmailhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00818846784767602047noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-388453741033869908.post-44984130667571800222011-10-03T14:06:51.158-07:002011-10-03T14:06:51.158-07:00Ray, as a TO it is ultimately up to you to decide ...Ray, as a TO it is ultimately up to you to decide how involved you want to get into rules discussions. I would simply caution you against involvement that might change the outcome of the game.<br /><br />Personally I encourage players to resolve things on their own. However, at NOVA there were a few games were time was a factor so I did take a more active approach in helping players look up rules and the like.Morgrim Darkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09231119283709857424noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-388453741033869908.post-49334242518470203632011-10-03T09:03:40.621-07:002011-10-03T09:03:40.621-07:00A good read for sure. Having just run a tournament...A good read for sure. Having just run a tournament this weekend in the NOVA style (16-player RTT), I can see even at that small level the differences in judging styles, with just two judges there.<br /><br />While the rounds were going I was patrolling the floor to make sure I was available for rulings most of the day, and usually only came in when asked. We only had a couple small rules questions, so that worked out pretty well.<br /><br />One thing i was very keen on, however was people pulling out a rulebook to get an answer to a question. When I saw a rulebook out, I made sure to go to that table and check the situation and deliver a ruling. Would you consider that appropriate, or maybe a bit too active, since the players were likely to find the answer on their own?<br /><br />My concern was having the act of looking up the rule take time away from the game. We were running an hour and a half for each game at 1500 points. That's usually enough for most of our players to finish games, but it's short enough that spending 10-15 minutes looking up a rule can take a huge chunk out of game time.RayJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03238655993945940049noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-388453741033869908.post-73086261683860267762011-10-01T18:37:27.299-07:002011-10-01T18:37:27.299-07:00Food for thought. Well written, and honestly asse...Food for thought. Well written, and honestly assessed.TheKing Elessarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04981821487098781957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-388453741033869908.post-659621833848535912011-09-29T21:48:15.575-07:002011-09-29T21:48:15.575-07:00Honestly, I think it would help all to have a clea...Honestly, I think it would help all to have a clear list of "When to Call a Judge / When Not to Call a Judge". I think every player has a different expectation of what a judge does and is supposed to do, so spell it out through examples, again and again.Benjaminhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00245451939976361103noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-388453741033869908.post-86402830837528798432011-09-29T10:49:25.649-07:002011-09-29T10:49:25.649-07:00As a follow up, thinking back, I have had one or t...As a follow up, thinking back, I have had one or two opponents who attempted to rules bully their way into an advantage. (i.e. An IC w/ grenades does not give grenades benefits to the squad, rules and FAQ say they do). I think the most important thing is to make sure there is an active judge presence available and visible. It provides that level of comfort that the social contract mentioned above can be enforced if it breaks down.birduxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02411291132951494801noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-388453741033869908.post-70609455764581246662011-09-29T10:43:54.852-07:002011-09-29T10:43:54.852-07:00Mike thanks for letting others use your blog as a ...Mike thanks for letting others use your blog as a sounding board and Morgrim thank ye for the post!<br />Although my personal tourney experience is very limited, (just 3!) I've come across many situations where a judge call was not necessary and answered amiably with a dice roll or re-reading the rule book. An interesting thought to consider is that those most likely to be considered to necessary for active judging, are also those least likely to need it. I.E. top tables at a tourney, the judges are probably not actively needed, both players are most likely on top of their game and watching their opponent like a hawk. It seems active monitoring might be more important on lower tables to keep inexperienced players from accidently or otherwise cheating each other.birduxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02411291132951494801noreply@blogger.com