tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-388453741033869908.post8769550482394150632..comments2024-03-17T01:39:05.808-07:00Comments on Whiskey & 40k: What Is the Perfect Game of 40k? Also - Sisters of Battle to Buy!Mike Brandt; mvbrandt@gmailhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00818846784767602047noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-388453741033869908.post-83522212737054782302011-01-30T16:15:18.594-08:002011-01-30T16:15:18.594-08:00Kamatu:
Warhammer costs money. Modeling and pain...Kamatu:<br /><br />Warhammer costs money. Modeling and painting take time. I would think that most of us in the hobby are beyond these issues by now, and are able to enjoy the "social experience".<br /><br />Kind of like arguing that stock-car racing can't possibly give you an adrenaline rush, because the cars cost money, and practice takes time.<br /><br />I must be misunderstanding you; what are you actually saying?Dan (nyhil)https://www.blogger.com/profile/01743035304243821733noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-388453741033869908.post-63967037423130513362011-01-29T23:39:03.635-08:002011-01-29T23:39:03.635-08:00I like the sentiment you expressed and I remember ...I like the sentiment you expressed and I remember a number of great times like that, but your post sounds a bit shill.<br /><br />Just remember that when you claim that it isn't about just gaming or just painting or just whatever, but it is some kind of complete, holistic, New Age sounding "social experience"...just respect and appreciate that NOBODY has to agree with you. <br /><br />OTOH, note that unless one can paint well enough (or doesn't want to waste the man hours) or afford a painter to work for them, then they cannot compete at the tournament level of gaming in this "social experience". Of course, if they cannot play, that will show up on the boards.<br /><br />Consider, it is 100% possible to do an entire proxy army of the correct dimensions with simple markings to distinguish models without any need to spend a penny on GW official models. Of course, they aren't WYSIWYG and therefore not allowable to play at your tournament. So, how is it that interfering with this "social experience"?<br /><br />Does it interfere with this "social experience" when an official kit has no, zero, nada, zilch options for one of the more commonly used weapon on lists? Which means you cannot even trade for it. Oh, you can buy it, at about 1/3 of the cost of the original kit, from Forge World. Oh darn it, that means one not only has to modify the weapons in the kit for magnet swapping (to stay WYSIWYG) they also have to modify the weapon mount for magnets. Double the work! Man, tough "social experience".<br /><br />Consider that I know of a player who is playing in your event, who after spending man-days beautifully painting over $100 in models for your event, suddenly had GW change the rules for his army. So, to be competitive (since some of the units got nerfed) he now has to give yet more money to GW and spend yet further man-days of effort to encounter your "social experience". Kind of a special "social experience" when it involves giving the company who makes your game money to enjoy it, don't you think?kamatuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04539485880680532574noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-388453741033869908.post-26327971558843700122011-01-24T17:28:42.359-08:002011-01-24T17:28:42.359-08:00My ideal game of 40k is one that is remembered, an...My ideal game of 40k is one that is remembered, and yet the outcome is not.Dan (nyhil)https://www.blogger.com/profile/01743035304243821733noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-388453741033869908.post-88004990556827423212011-01-24T07:37:22.142-08:002011-01-24T07:37:22.142-08:00That ideal game up there sounds EXACTLY like how m...That ideal game up there sounds EXACTLY like how my second game at NOVA '10 went. Bottom of turn 7, it literally came down to a single die roll. Even though said roll didn't go in my favor, was I pissed? Nope. A little disappointed, sure, but the game was still an absolute blast. And that's the one I remember over dozens of others I played over the course of the year.<br /><br />I got into this hobby for the lore, then the painting, and now I enjoy both of those and the competition. So I guess I'm one of those ideal hobbyists. I thoroughly enjoy all aspects, even if I know I'll never win a Golden Demon, or I'm not quite to that level to win GTs yet. I just did an RTT this weekend, took first by a huge margin with a strong list, but still got 28/30 sportsman points too. And, other than one of my HQ choices, my list was 100% fluffy to boot. I like being able to strike that balance.<br /><br />I think a lot of the angst comes from people regularly forgetting that this is a game involving pushing little plastic men around a table, and the main objective is to have fun. I'd be highly surprised if anyone goes to a tournament looking to give themselves a stroke from frustration, but there definitely seems to be a lack of empathy/understanding between the different groups that focus on only one aspect and disparage those who focus on another.Allerkahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07832804544513251369noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-388453741033869908.post-26857672549789154132011-01-22T07:32:24.083-08:002011-01-22T07:32:24.083-08:00It's not MY job to make sure my opponent has a...It's not MY job to make sure my opponent has a good time... however it is my job to make sure they do not have a bad time because of me. If I'm the reason they're pissed, then I fail.<br /><br />Sometimes, some people... you just can't make happy. Luckily you'll never have to play them again (most likely) and will shortly erase most of them from your memory. The other games, where both people had fun playing eachother, you'll remember for quite a long while, if not forever.ButtHurt40khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04363651660960495412noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-388453741033869908.post-32301522799239240512011-01-21T17:11:42.379-08:002011-01-21T17:11:42.379-08:00perfect 40k?
Painted armies, no arguments, conver...perfect 40k?<br /><br />Painted armies, no arguments, conversation, a few laughs, and a handshake at the end.eeorehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02657816556456124166noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-388453741033869908.post-3920819715209711212011-01-21T11:31:39.119-08:002011-01-21T11:31:39.119-08:00there are a ton of aspects to the hobby and most p...there are a ton of aspects to the hobby and most people zero in on one or two that they like, or that they think they have talent for. People who paint really badly often just give up rather than put all the time and effort into learning better ways to paint. It doesn't mean they don't like seeing well-painted minis. Golden Daemon is always the biggest line at Games Day (next to the Forgeworld line, anyway).<br /><br />The same goes for fluff. Lots of people have no fluff content in their armies, but Black Library still does a brisk trade selling to those unfluffy players, who love the backstories.<br /><br />This is why I like the idea of painting and terrain and conversion competitions to go with the gaming competition. If we're going to embrace this hobby we should make room for all the ways people embrace it. That goes for our personal games and the games we invite our fellows to attend.kazzualhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05237996709969479267noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-388453741033869908.post-20405105435857259202011-01-21T09:58:06.518-08:002011-01-21T09:58:06.518-08:00good stuff.
I outlined my ideas yesterday. You ne...good stuff.<br /><br />I outlined my ideas yesterday. You need to update your blogroll, btw. or just add theBack40K.<br />;pFarmpunkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09622091234212120598noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-388453741033869908.post-74125951105718390762011-01-21T09:52:27.811-08:002011-01-21T09:52:27.811-08:00I like this. There's room in the community fo...I like this. There's room in the community for buy-to-paint and buy-to-play types, just as there's room for the complete hobbyist who is GW's nominal target audience; there isn't room for wankers who perceive sportsmanship as something to score points for (or, more accurately perhaps, avoid losing points for) and not a basic prerequisite for participation.Vonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12583821960347555993noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-388453741033869908.post-21720313465957533282011-01-21T09:06:57.909-08:002011-01-21T09:06:57.909-08:00I'll say what I said on 3++, I completely agre...I'll say what I said on 3++, I completely agree Mike, the hobby is about playing to the very best of your ability, treating your opponent with respect and above all ensuring that you both have a good time. <br /><br />Amen bro, amen.DaveHowitzerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05585830713855358540noreply@blogger.com